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Stupid Freaking Auto Installing Spy/Software
Published on October 26, 2003 By russellmz In Personal Computing
I was merrily scrolling through my Add/Remove programs list trying to free some hard drive space by deleting unused programs. I am a virtual packrat, hoarding programs "just in case", or "maybe one day I'll use it". Towards the end I see a program called Viewpoint Media Player. Never downloaded and installed this. Never saw it before. Immediately I knew it was some junk spyware program that somehow got onto my system and didn't get caught by my spyware deleting programs.

So, like any sensible person with a question and an internet connection, I headed to google.com. There I eventaully got to an anti-spyware page that said Viewpoint was bundled with the new version of AIM, which I had downloaded some weeks ago.

Damn. It.

The AIM(AOL Instant Messenger) installer didn't say anything about other programs being installed on my computer. Most likely my firewall stoppped it from sending any random info out but I can't be sure what the damn thing has done.

Here is my privacy policy: I do not want any type of crap on my computer unless I specifically OK it. I do not want anything installed without my permission. I don't want some poorly programmed piece of crap crashing my computer, changing my bookmarks and homepage, and making itself part of the operating system so I can't delete it without instructions from the internet. I do not want programs that record what I am doing. I don't want programs accessing the internet at random intervals to send data to its home servers. I don't care if "At no point is the CUID connected to a user's name, email address, or other personal contact information". I don't freaking believe what is written in the privacy policy (which I didn't even get a chance to read since it installed without my knowledge), nor do I trust your abilities to safeguard my personal data even if you are telling the truth.

When can you install something on my computer? If you get within arms length distance of my computer and can install it before I cave your head in with a baseball bat, then I will allow it.

Anyway, I went to Add/Remove programs, highlighted it, and hit Remove.

Then I went to my file search utility and told it to look for anything with the name "Viewpoint". There were two or three separate folders still on my hard drive with the Viewpoint name. Lazy pieces of crap were too freaking lazy to program the remove utility properly and actually have it REMOVE the damn program. I had to delete the folders manually after making sure that nothing important was in them. Most likely AIM will still function normally over the next few days but now I have a nagging what-if to deal with. F--kers. The both of them.

That is why I like freeware but not adware or spyware. Freeware is usually all about respecting the user. Consider: I have a popup blocker, server proxy that stops internet ads and other annoying internet inventions like auto-playing looping music and scripts that change your bookmarks. I have a firewall. I never download any program unless I am sure it is an official patch/program or that it is a widely known and used freeware program. Yet this thing still got onto my computer and I haven't noticed it for days or weeks. Makes me wonder how many computers are now happily sending info to their home servers. Don't worry too much. I'm quite sure the spyware authors are hard at work making sure that "At no point is [your] CUID connected to a user's name, email address, or other personal contact information".

addendum:
Some people are still having problems even after they delete Viewpoint. The only thing actions I can recommend is after going to Add/Remove and removing Viewpoint to go to Start > Find > Files & Folders and search for "Viewpoint". Delete anything in there that you think is part of the Viewpoint Media Player program. If you still have problems try these spyware removing programs:

Spybot
Adaware

Comments (Page 10)
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on Apr 18, 2005
I can't see any respones past post #125!
on Apr 18, 2005
That makes 2 of us...
on Apr 18, 2005

I think the thread is being heavily edited by its author....call it a re-write of history.

Probably didn't like people with opposing views.

Ideally, any 'edited' thread should be bumped back to Joe User where it belongs...and not be visible on Wincustomize.com...where the site admins 'may' be wrongly accused of altering reality.

If these comments go, so will the thread...

on Apr 22, 2005
I had seen this before in add/remove programs and assumed it was from one of the two cameras I installed... I never saw anything from it before and figured I'd get around to searching on it. Well, I opened netscape 7 which hasn't been opened for quite a long time... and I get this pop up wanting to update Viewpoint Corporation Software... I didn't click anything on it and started searching on it and found this. Thanks for the headsup! And FYI, I have the latest version of Ad-Aware and Spybot Search & Destroy and neither one picked this up! I run them every few days.
on Apr 23, 2005
THank You. I had the same problem and i have folowed your suggestions.
on Apr 23, 2005
Well the thread said it had new responses. Yet I still can't see them!
on May 09, 2005
It might not be Spyware, but you can't blame us for our suspicions. The damn thing pops up everytime you connect to the internet asking you to update it and the window doesn't have a close button. I don't appreciate *having* to update something against my will. You can't even minimize it for later as it's always-on-top. If reports from this thread are true, updating the software installs an additional bar to your browser. Who wants more clutter on their damn browser? Spyware or not, it is not user friendly and everyting about it is counter-intuitive of everything we've come to know about software and the Windows GUI.
on May 18, 2005
Wow now that is what I call a rant! Thank you so much for this useful information and I whole heartedly agree with every point you made. I too have been going through my programs trying to free up some space and didn't know what the hell this was. Thanks to a google search I found you and the solution x
on Jun 10, 2005
Many thanks, Russellmz, for the heads up about those bastards at Viewpoint. They infected my pc as well. I did what you recommended, the basic add/remove, THEN also doing start>search>folders/viewpoint and voila, there that crap was, hovering and watching my every freeking move.

Best I can tell Viewpoint sneaked in when my lovely bride downloaded an Adobe update and got a free Photoshop as well.

I hope Adobe isn't a coconspirator.

...Brooks the Radioboy in Portland, Oregon
on Jun 14, 2005
Jafo, i have not done any editing to the comments in this thread, i made one or two changes to the initial post, months, possibly over a year ago. in fact, i have not been to this site for many months. if you intend to make serious accusations about "a re-write of history" or that i "didn't like people with opposing views" please make sure you have things like 'proof' or 'evidence' to back those claims up, thanks.
on Jun 15, 2005
Viewpoint Media player is so AOL can blast commercials at you while you watch a movie, have a quiet time online, or whenever it is MOST inappropriate. AOL SHOULD HAVE SAID PLAYER with options like "do you want content blasted at you at 500 decibels?" "would you like your AOL to freeze, even tho the machine is fast and powerful enough to run NASA singlehandedly?"


But no......AOL just wants to push ads like druggies on the corner push crack.
on Oct 25, 2005
Download ViewpointKiller from this site: www.prprogramsstudios.tk

This will kill viewpoint once and for all.
on Nov 11, 2005
It wasn't until AOL did their latest cute little 'updating software - no online minutes will be used during this time' splash screen, that gives you no choice in the matter anyway after signing off; is when this Viewpoint crap showed up.

Actually my spyware software (XoftSpy) by Paretologic.com pick it up as a "Toolbar/Spyware' labeled as 'a threat'.
It is located in my Program files as a folder titled 'Viewpoint'. My spyware deletes these except for about 7 files unless I reboot to delete those. Apparently those files are used by other programs or are in use as well. After rebooting, all is good and gone until you log on to AOL. Then it is reinstalled back into your program files without knowledge until another spyware scan is done and/or physically look in my Program files.

Did anyone notice in their add/remove programs "Viewpoint Media Player' has the same icon as 'Windows Media Player'? In fact, I think it replaces WMP for WMP is not even listed in my add/remove list. Hmmm...interesting.

If it weren’t for the fact that my spyware labels it as a 'threat', I’d be somewhat okay with it on my system and its marketing strategy. But I really don't trust Viewpoints assurance about my identity remaining unviolated or compromised. Recently read Viewpoint and AOL signed some big deal with one another. Great! That explains a lot especially with AOL's latest automatic update and my Spyware picking it up after the update installed.

That's my 2 cents on the matter. AOL has finely pissed me off enough to leave them and their under-the-radar spyware.

PEACE
on Nov 11, 2005
Oh...by the way, since AOL's auto software download, XoftSpy scans has also picked up a warning about my home or search page may have been Hijacked.
Nice! More invasion! AOL users beware! Viewpoint a threat? I conclude as YES! Is it malicious? Since the recent AOL software update, I conclude as a YES!

Think I'll use ViewpointKiller that Prm753 gave on my previous reply. Thanx Prm753.

PEACE
on Feb 05, 2006
For those idiots who are putting Viewpoint up on a pedestal: Get a freaking life! Viewpoint is in NO way beneficial to the unsuspecting people who's machines it's being installed on! (Oooooooh! A nice big video ad just popped up in my face with the volume cranked up full blast while I'm trying to read an article or trying to type something! Thats a really smart way to advertise! I'm gonna try to encourage more growth from viewpoint because they really know how to advertise!) Yeah? Well get this, I'm not paying 40 dollars a month for broadband internet service just for some smart ass advertiser to flash their sh*t in my face the whole time I'm trying to read or listen to my music. IMO AOL is for people who are too scared to learn what the internet is really about, and those are the people who don't know how computers work, and are too scared to learn how they work too. My point? The people who actually know what they are doing with computers don't appreciate having stuff installed without their knowledge; of course RealPlayer, QT, Flash etc, go on there without your knowing it but, they don't persistantly reinstall themselves when you uninstall them either and they don't flash video ads in your face every 5 damn minutes.
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