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Stupid Freaking Auto Installing Spy/Software
Published on October 26, 2003 By russellmz In Personal Computing
I was merrily scrolling through my Add/Remove programs list trying to free some hard drive space by deleting unused programs. I am a virtual packrat, hoarding programs "just in case", or "maybe one day I'll use it". Towards the end I see a program called Viewpoint Media Player. Never downloaded and installed this. Never saw it before. Immediately I knew it was some junk spyware program that somehow got onto my system and didn't get caught by my spyware deleting programs.

So, like any sensible person with a question and an internet connection, I headed to google.com. There I eventaully got to an anti-spyware page that said Viewpoint was bundled with the new version of AIM, which I had downloaded some weeks ago.

Damn. It.

The AIM(AOL Instant Messenger) installer didn't say anything about other programs being installed on my computer. Most likely my firewall stoppped it from sending any random info out but I can't be sure what the damn thing has done.

Here is my privacy policy: I do not want any type of crap on my computer unless I specifically OK it. I do not want anything installed without my permission. I don't want some poorly programmed piece of crap crashing my computer, changing my bookmarks and homepage, and making itself part of the operating system so I can't delete it without instructions from the internet. I do not want programs that record what I am doing. I don't want programs accessing the internet at random intervals to send data to its home servers. I don't care if "At no point is the CUID connected to a user's name, email address, or other personal contact information". I don't freaking believe what is written in the privacy policy (which I didn't even get a chance to read since it installed without my knowledge), nor do I trust your abilities to safeguard my personal data even if you are telling the truth.

When can you install something on my computer? If you get within arms length distance of my computer and can install it before I cave your head in with a baseball bat, then I will allow it.

Anyway, I went to Add/Remove programs, highlighted it, and hit Remove.

Then I went to my file search utility and told it to look for anything with the name "Viewpoint". There were two or three separate folders still on my hard drive with the Viewpoint name. Lazy pieces of crap were too freaking lazy to program the remove utility properly and actually have it REMOVE the damn program. I had to delete the folders manually after making sure that nothing important was in them. Most likely AIM will still function normally over the next few days but now I have a nagging what-if to deal with. F--kers. The both of them.

That is why I like freeware but not adware or spyware. Freeware is usually all about respecting the user. Consider: I have a popup blocker, server proxy that stops internet ads and other annoying internet inventions like auto-playing looping music and scripts that change your bookmarks. I have a firewall. I never download any program unless I am sure it is an official patch/program or that it is a widely known and used freeware program. Yet this thing still got onto my computer and I haven't noticed it for days or weeks. Makes me wonder how many computers are now happily sending info to their home servers. Don't worry too much. I'm quite sure the spyware authors are hard at work making sure that "At no point is [your] CUID connected to a user's name, email address, or other personal contact information".

addendum:
Some people are still having problems even after they delete Viewpoint. The only thing actions I can recommend is after going to Add/Remove and removing Viewpoint to go to Start > Find > Files & Folders and search for "Viewpoint". Delete anything in there that you think is part of the Viewpoint Media Player program. If you still have problems try these spyware removing programs:

Spybot
Adaware

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on Dec 22, 2004
Like yourself I was checking in my add/remove progs when I spotted Viewpoint Media Player it looked legitemate as it had the same lil round icon as Windows Media Player. So not only are they installing this crap without you knowing they are using microsofts icons to pull the wool over our eyes. The only thing I had installed or updated was AIM so I was right on the phone to AOL tech support to query why they were letting other companies put spyware on my pc and harvest my personal info. The poor chick who was dealing with my call must have had her head in her hands by the time the call was over, she put me on hold then came back and told me "IT IS INFACT SPYWARE" and to use ad-aware or spybot to check its removed. Ive emailed to query with Microsoft too as its not on that this company can use legitimate programs icons to bullshit u into believing its harmless!

At least after searching I know Im not the only one who was alomost duped according to this post!
on Dec 22, 2004
Thanks to russell and others for the explanation of how Viewpoint and WildTangent got on my daughter's machine. Russell, you captured my feeling perfectly. I am switching her to Triulium today. Thanks!
on Dec 26, 2004
If there's a way to get rid of this garbage forever, I'd use it. I wonder if deleting and switching from AOL would do it or not. Viewpoint Media PLayer is an evil disease and should be criminal. It has debilitated my computer time and time and time again. God Bless the jerk that made this thing do this.
on Dec 26, 2004
I didn't know I had viewpoint until it advised me in a pop-up that it had done a version update.

Bad program.
on Dec 28, 2004
Came home and on my crashed screen was a pop-up screen informing me that viewpoint media had an update that neded to be approved. Jeez, that's odd- I never installed it in the first place. No doubt the new version more insidious than the last! Well, ever since my teenage daughter crashed her computer (duh!) and started using mine I am not surprised what might show up on mine- eight viruses, disabled firewall and virus protection, a couple of days to staighten it out and gee more spyware in media player clothing! So I disable it running at start-up, drag it out of my program files and dump it- go to Google and find this article. Surprise, surprise! Take my advice and ban AOL Instant Messinger (AIM) from your computer forever!
on Dec 29, 2004
tm400005:

i didn't cripple anything by removing viewpoint viewer. the version of aol instant mesenger still worked.

-i didn't allow it on my system.

-it just installed itself.

-there was no warning.

-it says right in the description i quoted it sends info from my computer out to where ever.

please describe your definition of "spyware" such that it doesn't include these last four actions by viewpoint. thanks.


i recommend using "easy message". very nice small program that bundles up aol im and msn im into one program. it's freeware, not spyware.

http://www.easymessage.net/
on Dec 29, 2004
tm400005:

i didn't cripple anything by removing viewpoint viewer. the version of aol instant mesenger still worked.

-i didn't allow it on my system.

-it just installed itself.

-there was no warning.

-it says right in the description i quoted it sends info from my computer out to where ever.

please describe your definition of "spyware" such that it doesn't include these last four actions by viewpoint. thanks.


i recommend using "easy message". very nice small program that bundles up aol im and msn im into one program. it's freeware, not spyware.

http://www.easymessage.net/
on Dec 29, 2004
I agree totally also. I hate having ANYTHING on my computer I did not intend to put there, period. Unfortunately, too many companies are trying to put "bundled software" on your computer to "defray the cost of the program". And you can't always trust sites. I sometimes use CNet's Download.com, which will have a warning about spy/adware bundled in a program. But I have found a few that had bundled sofware and there was no warning. Makes me paranoid. I'm running Pest Patrol, Adaware and Spyware Blaster.
on Dec 29, 2004
That damn thing appeared in my files too! That along with a toolbar that AIM installed in my desktop. I had to go and repeatedly attempt to delete the files before they finally dissappeared. Spyware gives me so much crap. Adaware is the best program to deal with this kind of stuff, I highly recommend it, without it I wouldn't have known that it was on my computer.
on Dec 29, 2004
What's wrong with you people?

Don't you know what a media player is?

Windows Media Player is installed with Windows and plays Windows Media Files.

Flash Media Player is pre-installed/bundled with various PC makers and various applications and plays Flash media files.

Viewpoint Media Player is pre-installed/bundled with various PC makers and various applications and plays Viewpoint media files.

Real Media Player is pre-installed/bundled with various PC makers and various applications and plays Real media files.

They all keep themselves updated automatically.

They all play their own brand of media files.

They're all dependencies of various applications.

Why pick on Viewpoint's Media Player and call it spyware for doing nothing other than what all the others do? Namely to keep itself updated FOR YOUR BENEFIT so you have the latest version to play the latest content without needing updating.

Sure you can uninstall it and not cripple AIM but did you notice that uninstalling it made NO DIFFERENCE TO YOUR MACHINE ? Any problems you were having will still be there because the viewpoint media player wasn't causing them. This is proven by reading any of the spyware threads. The most common phrases are "you should uninstall viewpoint - it's spyware" followed closely by "I uninstalled viewpoint but it made no difference, the problem I'm having is still there".

Enjoy your viewpoint media player paranoia because I'm clearly not convincing any of you away from your wrong opinions. Strange that Spybot and Adaware agree with me and not you people here.
on Dec 30, 2004
RussellMZ2: have you used Easy Message? Has anyone else every used this program? My daughter has both Yahoo and AIM, uses them constantly. Would love to get that crap off her machine. Are there any problems setting up EM? Will she be able to IM everybody on her AIM and Yahoo buddy lists after she sets it up?
on Dec 30, 2004
I thought I'd give it a try, first weird thing is that the login host for AOL is login.oscar.aol.com Who is oscar? Is that a legit login host?
on Dec 30, 2004
hmmm do I have to install AIM first?? That kind of defeats the purpose ay?
on Dec 30, 2004
i use easy message. been a while since i first intsalled it, not sure if you need aim installed first, i should have re-checked that....

not sure about yahoo but they claim it works now. aol and msn messengers work for me.

one down side is that sometimes the separate messenger programs are updated and the easy message people have to catch up and update their program as well. in the meantime it can't log that one messenger.
on Jan 01, 2005
Well said! I too have Viewpoint's poxy media player and found this site when I googled it. Cheers for the info, now I know I can delete it! Yayy
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